at about 7:30 a.m. today, tuesday, 11/18/08, with nary a breeze in sight, one of the three main trunks of our ~100 year old coast live oak fell on the corner of our garage. pix, some with labels as well as unlabeled pix: http://tchester.org/temp/081118/ unfortunately, this message could be subtitled: "How NOT to take care of your oak tree". (:-( i'll probably put some of this info online after i get comments back from some of you. the basic problem with this oak tree is that the builder of our house paved over three-fourths of the root system of this tree. we bought the house several years after it had been built, so had no say in this terrible decision. what an unkind thing to do to so old a tree! so this tree has been on the unhealthy side ever since we bought the house, and perhaps i should have simply removed it before it fell. however, i've seen a number of coast live oaks growing in challenging conditions in the wild, with lots of their roots exposed, and still surviving, so i had hoped ours would, too. i now wish i had paid roger boddaert, our local fallbrook tree expert, to come over and review this tree to give us an expert opinion on what should be done with it. but hindsight is always wisdom... i had in fact been a bit worried about this tree in the last month or so, since it produced a HUGE crop of acorns this year, at least a factor of 3 (and maybe 10) more than ever before. i knew that plants often reproduce like mad when they are stressed to near death. but i failed to act on my knowledge and have a knowledgeable tree person come and inspect the tree before it failed... (:-( i just supposed it was a banner acorn year for all oaks in fallbrook. it looks like a crane will be needed to lift the trunk off my roof to safely remove it, and to prevent further roof damage. what happened was that one of the three trunks split off at a crotch. (actually, the trunk that fell was probably originally a branch that grew very large.) i'd always heard that crotches were a bad thing for trees, but i thought it was something to do with the physics of the way the trunks come together at the crotch, and the stress loads on the trunks as a result of the crotch. i learned from the tree guy, dave jones of tierra del verde arbor care, what the actual source of the problem was. in at least this case, there were THREE other problems associated with the crotch. first, and probably the worst problem, water collects in the crotch, penetrates the bark and causes fungal growth, aka "dry rot". so the crotch led to wood decay. second, the crotch "grows upward" as the trunks grow together more each year. i knew that this often happens, and the bark eventually surrounds the merged trunks. what i didn't know is that the individual trunks KEEP GROWING inside the crotch, which actively pushes apart the two trunks until one falls. you can see the "bark line" in one of the crotches higher up the still-standing part of the tree in one of the pix linked above. third, acorns and other plants actually germinated in the crotch, and grew root masses into it! note the mass of small roots in one of the pix above, along with some much larger roots. finally, i thought the tree had "termites", since there was a fine powder around the base of the tree, but that fine powder was due to an oak wood-boring beetle. that beetle apparently played no role at all in the failure, even though that fine powder was the main thing that worried me previously. don't that beat all! some of the pix above show the bark "inside" the crotch, the white fungus threads, the roots of other plants, borer holes, and, of course, the extensive dark dry rot. wayne, jackie, roger, or anyone else, please let me know if any of this explanation is not correct, if you can tell from my pix or from your experience with such oak failures. here is how both susan and tom experienced this. susan: We had a bit of excitement. I'd just gotten home from dropping Matthew off at school and parked the car in the garage. I stepped out on the driveway to pick up the morning papers. I heard some little crackling noises, so I thought there was an animal up in the oak tree. I stepped under the tree to look up and see what kind of animal. The little crackling noises became one enormous crack sound. I ran faster than I would have thought I could still run. I managed to outrun the falling tree branches and looked back to see the garage roof a bit crushed by the weight. We've already had a tree expert out to look at it. He says he'll need to rent a crane to come and lift the enormous weight off the roof. tom: i was asleep in bed when a "strong earthquake" raced through the bedroom. it was a big noise; the cat jumped off the bed and ran down the hall. i was quite puzzled about this "earthquake", since if it was so strong, there should have been more shaking, and i should have felt both the P and S waves. furthermore, it seemed consistent with another earthquake 10 miles north of palomar, since it appeared to me that the wave went from east to west across the bedroom. (but remember, i was asleep until this event woke me up.) all became clear about 20 minutes later when susan told me one branch of the tree had come down. (;-) during those 20 minutes, susan was out there examining the damage, with many neighbors, and very pleased she had escaped injury. (:-) the neighbors were asking susan why i wasn't out there examining the damage with her. but i don't get out of bed just for a little earthquake. (;-) if the tree had fallen at an azimuth just 30 degrees different, it would have fallen on the roof of my bedroom. i vote that we continue to build houses that can support not only the weight of the roof and walls, but have considerable margin built in for additional weight loads like this. (:-) -- tom chester